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Tigerroast 2014-12-11 09:27

My N900 Experience
 
I'll be keeping this thread until the day I no longer use my newly-acquired (as of Dec. 2014) N900 as my daily phone. Very interesting to have such a device nearly a half-decade after its original launch in a world where people dump their phones after 1.5 years of use. Perhaps it could be a quick reference to whomever wishes to take the plunge.

Even though the topic of the N900 being a phone is contested, I don't care; I'm calling it a phone.

I've decided to post this in the Off-Topic subforum to keep from shoving my experience in the faces of everyone on the forum. It'll be my personal thread that I'm freely sharing here, so anyone can interject if they'd like. No need to keep this on the top of the Active Topics.

I must say, the earphones that came with the N900 are probabaly the worst I've come across, and that's saying a lot. Too dark, bad tips, extremely microphonic. I'm shocked that the shirt clip doesn't do enough to mitigate the scraping...

Anyway, back on topic.

Out-of-the-box, it was a rather rough-around-the-edges experience for me. My old-beater Apple earbuds gave my ears cancer when I tried to plug them in. I didn't like the theming (too simple, but not in a way to make it visually appealing to me). I found the web browser to be lackluster. The default app manager is PAINFULLY slow! Gave a horrible first impression.

Well, so did Ubuntu, until I learned how to change that. I swear, the internet is the best thing to ever happen to Linux.

My phone came with the most up-to-date Nokia image, plus it was completely brand new (did the first boot wizard and everything), so I didn't bother reflashing. Lucky me.

The absolute first things I did were:
  • enable the CSSU Stable repositories
    update
    reboot

    install Faster App Manager
    run it

    enable the CSSU Testing repository + extras-devel repository
    update
    reboot

    install Kernel Power
    reboot

I knew to do all of this from reading up on the wiki docs in anticipation, as I waited for my phone to be delivered. Even now, I have 20+ tabs open in Firefox to different wiki pages and TMO threads. However, the initial downloading of everything was like my internet was being run through a potato. ~40kB/s on average, and this is on my home WiFi. Granted, I don't have the best line speed, but I should be getting around 300kB/s on average. It improved after a while, which confused me, but I chose not to question it.

After doing those things, I decided to follow the instructions on the N900 The Perfect Setup page, having the webpage on the N900's browser so I could copy-paste commands. A few things about the N900's terminal confused me:
-I had to download scripts that allow the user account to be part of the sudoers group (granted, they're scripts, so it was quick and easy)
-the C-c, C-v bindings don't work in the terminal

Quite odd. I persevered and got plenty of the page done now. After that, I just decided to download a crippity-crap ton of apps, including, but not limited to:
-Fennec
-Mobile Hotspot
-Filebox
-OpenSSH
-Ubuntu Humanity theme (a plesant surprise, that)
-Pierogi
-modRana
-wget
-Kmplayer
-Leafpad
-the hidiously-outdated build of Midori
-Easy Debian (again, another plesant surprise)

-bnf (which is nice, but the name is the same as the BNF Syndrome that plagues the members of the Smash Bros community who've played the 3DS version of Smash Bros)

-freemangordon's 720p video fix (I couldn't even find abettercamera, so I should have no problems using the fix)
-cuteplayer-QML
-htop (yet another plesant surprise)

-Abiword (still another plesant surprise, plus I can use the Debian version for better .doc compatability)

-flashlight (I'm wary of this one, though I probably shouldn't be, considering the flashlight apps that are known to be spyware are closed-source)
-a bunch of widgets

I can't remember all of them at this moment (will edit tomorrow). I downloaded a lot of apps and turned the phone off to charge.

EDIT: As promised:
-3G/2G/Dual Mode Selection Applet
-Active Desktop Statusbar Icon (a plesant surprise)
-Adblock Plus plugin for Maemo browser
-Advanced Interface switcher
-Albion(impulsively downloaded it because the name reminds me of Fable. Haven't tried yet)
-android-lockscreen
-backupmenu (the wiki scared me into it)
-blessN900
-bluetooth-dun
-bluezwitch
-bootmenu
-C FM Radio
-CSSU Features Configuration
-Calculus (it says "for kids," but only advanced kids are learning calculus. Sue me)
-Callnotify (which I was shocked that wasn't included by default)
-Catorise (very nice)
-cell-modem-ui
-claws-mail
-claws-mail-html2 viewer
-clean900
-Community SSU enabler
-ConnectNow Internet connection switch
-coreutils-gnu (a plesant surprise)
-Crochik MyContacts (works better than the stock Contacts IMO)
-D-theme AeroBlue (which is nice, but I think I prefer the Ubuntu theme)
-Desktop Activity manager
-dillo
-eSpeak (dependency for modRana)
-ereswap (scripts are very basic, but it's nice to have them)
-extmou
-extra decoders support (another plesant surprise)
-FM Radio Player
-FastSMS
-fcam-drivers
-gFTP
-h-e-n
-hdrcapture
-headphone daemon
-healthcheck
-infozip's zip
-jSpeed
-Lens Cover reminder (love that)
-lzma
-MyPaint (have a pressure-sensitive screen+stylus, may as well use it
-ogg support
-personal dataplan monitor
-Petrovich
-Quicknote
-simple-brightness-applet
-Swappolube (which seems obligatory)
-TV out control desktop widget
-ttf-nokiapure (now if only I could get the Ubuntu fonts...)
-WiFi switcher
-WifiEye

[/EDIT]

Speaking of which, I had the phone hooked up to the charger the whole time I was playing with it, and that didn't seem to make much of a difference when I removed it from the charger. This is one of the reasons it's off right now (the other being that I spent hours messing with it, so may as well give it a break).

The keyboard felt alien to me. Not surprising, considering I've spent 3 years conditioning myself to use a vkb on my Windows Phone. The layout will take time to get used to, and the feel of the keys even longer. The keys are very flat and don't give much feedback when pressed. Not a bad keyboard overall, but not that good either. Either way, I'm glad to finally have one!

Right now, there's two things that I don't have the stones to do:
-repartition the flash (preferebly with something more up-to-date than EXT3+vFAT)
-delve into CSSU-Thumb

I'm inclined to leave the current partition layout as-is, but having an entire partition (with a dated file system, mind you) dedicated to storing docs/media on a device that has a uSD slot is really disturbing me. Perhaps not so much now that Easy Debian is installed, but it really is.

As for CSSU-Thumb, I'm getting closer to taking the plunge. The promise of a smaller memory footprint with a more up-to-date kernel is appealing. Hell, I already have the Testing repositories enabled, may as well, right? I'll get to it eventually.

endsormeans 2014-12-11 10:06

Re: My N900 Experience
 
yeah ...the old grey mare she ain't what she used to be...
but now and again I swear I see the purebred show horse in her still.
even with her slowness compared to more modern devices she is still a joy.
I'm personally looking forward to seeing what freemantle will be like in compare.
Also looking forward to future good reads from your thread here.
well writ tigerroast.

TomJ 2014-12-11 13:30

Re: My N900 Experience
 
If you are using it as a day-to-day companion, and use calendaring at all, install Qalendar forthwith and use it instead of stock. It uses the same backend calendar system, but exposes so much more functionality. Also, if widgets are your thing, the Calendar Home widget displays a halfway decent amount of information.

Tigerroast 2014-12-11 16:45

Re: My N900 Experience
 
I have yet to take off the screen cover that the N900 came with. All I did was take the tag off. I'm starting to realize how much of a good that that step was. I'll eventually get a proper screen protector, but this will do for now.

Anyway, I decided to see if any of the packages have updates today, and it looks like the Kernel-power indeed had an upgrade today! Not bad!

Browsing through other apps, I noticed that Sixad is available for download. Before, I was questioning why anyone would want to play an emulator on this phone, considering the keyboard wouldn't make for a good controller. Then I found this. I believe since Linux 3.2, PS3 controllers work out-of-the-box, but this will definitely do. I haven't tried it yet, but I will. Hopefully, it'll work better than it does on Android (have to plug the PS3 controller into the USB-OTG cable in order to sync it with the phone every time the phone's asleep).

I'm also installing Qalendar, as per recommendation. I saw the wiki page before, but I didn't bother at the time. I am now. I like it so far. However, I just want to know if there's a way to sync up with an online calendar. That's the primary feature I'd like to have.

The more I'm going under-the-skin of Maemo, the more curious I become as to what it would be like running a different OS on the N900. I won't try it yet on the grounds that I need it for communication and I can't risk bricking it, but I still wonder. I could imagine running Debian Jessie with systemd+Debian's stable 3.2 kernel, but the damned RAM is a problem. I'm more likely to run the Thumb kernel than Debian right now. Perhaps that'll change with the Neo900?

Speaking of, can someone convince me to take the plunge and enable the Thumb repos? I'd like to, but the wiki page did a good job in scaring me away from it.

One thing the wiki pages aren't scaring me from, however, is overclocking. I'm aware that doing that might have an effect on the device's lifetime, but I don't care. I'm tired of the jitters and slow transitions. Overclocking is, so far, really helping with that. I can definitely tell the difference. All I really did was set the minimum to 250MHz and max to 900MHz. It's really helping move the UI along.

Speaking of the UI, I find it to be quite good. I like the fact that there's always a button to go to overview (I should get around to making a keyboard shortcut for that), kinda like in GNOME. Also, my apps are no longer all over the place.

So far, it's starting to look like I just got a steal on functionality that I'd normally have to pay a premium for. This phone cost me $100+shipping, and I already have as much functionality as a Galaxy S4. I think the next time I post, It'll be about the browsers and a comparison to a relatively recent device.

endsormeans 2014-12-11 17:29

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Methinks the man be hooked :D
As far as the brow-furrowing concern of bricking your device playing with alt. os's considering you wish this to be your primary device for phone capabilities...you can't do much bricking going into the shallow end of the pool by installing Easy Debian...sure it's a chroot...so it sorta rides on top of the maemo os and allows you to utilize and run proper debian programs ...not all debian programs are optimally (non frustratingly usable that is..) designed for the screen size or the stylus input methods...some are perfect for the n900 ...some programs have been or can be modified to n900 usability...so yeah...lotsa safer fun there with Easy Deb.....it's in the ham. Doubt you can muck things up and the bonuses are pretty great...also very easy to install.
BTW my suggestion... purely from my own experiences and some others...stay away from that lovely and speedy temptress FAM . It can give you headaches. Not everybody has probs with her...but...well...something to consider. HAM may be slower ...but at least it works properly.
As far as great apps go that I can suggest...where to start? :D

Tigerroast 2014-12-11 17:38

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by endsormeans (Post 1451650)
Methinks the man be hooked :D
As far as the brow-furrowing concern of bricking your device playing with alt. os's considering you wish this to be your primary device for phone capabilities...you can't do much bricking going into the shallow end of the pool by installing Easy Debian...it's in the ham. Doubt you can muck things up and the bonuses are pretty great...also very easy to install.
BTW my suggestion... purely from my own experiences and some others...stay away from that lovely and speedy temptress FAM . It can give you headaches. Not everybody has probs with her...but...well...something to consider. HAM may be slower ...but at least it works properly.
As far as great apps go that I can suggest...where to start? :D

I already have Easy Debian installed. I just haven't gotten around to toying with it. Do you think repartitioning the VFAT partition to FAT32 would be of any help?

So far, I've had 0 problems with FAM. It's been all upside for me. What are the headaches you and others had with FAM? Crashing while updating?

Also, what do you suggest for downloading maps? modRana's decent, but it's really not doing it for me.

pichlo 2014-12-11 17:48

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1451593)
The absolute first things I did were:
  • enable the CSSU Stable repositories
    update
    reboot

    install Faster App Manager
    run it

    enable the CSSU Testing repository + extras-devel repository
    update
    reboot

    install Kernel Power
    reboot

In the future, if you intend to use KP (Kernel Power) anyway, then I suggest to install it first, before installing CSSU. That's because CSSU requires its own kernel or KP and will check on installation if one of them is already on. Installing KP first will save you a few MB.

endsormeans 2014-12-11 18:00

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Maps are always kind of a personal choice area...some like one ...some like another prog.
Oooh the joy of FAM...the issues some have had including me...it gets stuck updating the catalogues...doesn't finish...PITA . Some progs aren't listed that are in HAM...etc..
better is taking a look at some sources for full disclosure of probs people have had...like
http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/...roken_packages
As far as vfat vs fat32...mmm
I suggest a separate partition ext3....copy your easy deb to it...say a 10gb partition..."do the voodoo that you do ..so welllllll..." (harvey korman)and of course...the inference is that you are utilizing the entire 10gb for easy deb...not the eensy-weensy <2gb space you get by default install...it may break a bead of sweat on your brow doing it...but it will run better, faster, and you'll have a proper ton of space to play with installing alllll kinds of new stuff....wheeeee! :D

Mara 2014-12-11 18:17

Re: My N900 Experience
 
If you get irritated by the slow/jerky desktop animations you should install MaeModder and enable HWsync of Hildon. It makes the desktop transitions much smoother. (MaeModder has also a bunch of other customization options, such as custom transitions, you may find useful.)

Amboss 2014-12-11 18:17

Re: My N900 Experience
 
I noticed you have installed Catorise. I had this installed way back but it caused some serious battery drain a some times. Don't know if the issue still persists on CSSU or thumb but you should have a look at it some time with "battery graph" or alike ;)

As for Callnotify: I have never missed it as you always have a hovering preview window for calls sms messages and alike... but that's personal preference I guess.

EDIT: Please keep in mind that some information found on TMO may be outdated or interfering with new features from CSSU or alike, as can be seen on the list posted by endsormeans

Tigerroast 2014-12-11 19:23

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Thank you all for the replies!

@pichlo: Thank you for that little tidbit.

@endorsermeans: Specifically EXT3? As for copying the Easy Debian files to it, where would I mount this partition? Thank you for the help!

@Mara: Where is MaeModder? I can't find it in the repos, unless the package name is different. EDIT: Never mind, found the .deb file for download.

@Amboss: I'm downloading BatteryGraph right now. That's definitely worrysome, considering that it may be able to explain why, after an overnight charge while turned off, my N900 ended up nearly flat after a few hours. Categorization's nice, but not at the cost of battery life for something so simple.

I'm aware that some info's outdated; 'tis an inescapable caveat of OSS wikis. Even the ArchWiki needs to catch up with itself sometimes.

endsormeans 2014-12-11 20:24

Re: My N900 Experience
 
welly-well-well...
yeah ext3 (It does journaling so it does mean a lowered lifespan for the sd card but the upswing is if there is a crash or error the system should reboot and repair itself automatically...you just sit back and relax)...
you can do ext2 (it doesn't do journaling so it means increased lifespan for your sd card...downside is if it goes wonky-wonk and crashes....you fix it yourself)
so it is a matter of personal pref.
As far how to...there are a number of threads for the nxx0 ...some may be for the n8x0.... some the n900 ...some threads may refer to both devices...methods on n8x0 essentially are the same on the n900 with a few differences in proceedure.....this'll get you started on the topic...here are a couple of links I myself have found helpful ...take your pick...I'm sure there are more.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...016#post216016
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ighlight=Links
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89388

by putting easy deb on it's own rather enlarged partition...say on your microsd card...anything goes weird..no problem...it isn't like "installing" a proper distro that can have an impact on your device....after all it is easy deb running on top of your maemo...and it is isolated to your card as a topper...and it should run faster and you should have enough space on your made partition to build the terminator A.I. program of your dreams...(oh sorry wait...that's Dave's dream... :D
Not that I'm mocking ....I have no desire to intimidate a killer A.I. that sees this post 20-40 years in the future...I didn't mean it! Honest!)

wicket 2014-12-12 00:43

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1451637)
The more I'm going under-the-skin of Maemo, the more curious I become as to what it would be like running a different OS on the N900. I won't try it yet on the grounds that I need it for communication and I can't risk bricking it, but I still wonder.

Just install U-Boot and then you can run another OS off the SD card. Yes, there's a (slight) risk that if the U-Boot installation goes wrong it could brick your device but it shouldn't be any riskier than installing kernel power or CSSU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1451652)
Do you think repartitioning the VFAT partition to FAT32 would be of any help?

It already is FAT32. FAT32 is an extension to VFAT. Linux displays it as VFAT.

Tigerroast 2014-12-12 02:08

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Disaster strikes.

I was calling a friend when the battery died. It died surprisingly quickly, but that's to be expected when overclocking any mobile device. I decided to put it back on the charger for a few minutes, take it off, reboot, and put it back on the charger. I then called back and took the phone with me to make a sandwich.

It died again, and I really can't tell if it's taking the charge. The fact that the screen's on (dimly, but on nevertheless) while it's charging is disturbing me. The notification LED is also acting strangely. The screen will come on, and the LED will blink every 1.5s. After some time, the screen will turn off and the LED will go back to glowing until the screen comes back on.

I can't even boot the device. Presumably, the battery's completely drained. I'm going to disconnect the display while the phone charges just to make sure it's just the battery. After a while (give it 30min), I'll connect the display and try again.

I forgot who said it, but it's a very true statement (which I'm gonna badly butcher). "If you play with it long enough, it'll break."

Tigerroast 2014-12-12 03:17

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Alright, now it's time to panic. After detaching the screen, I put the battery in and left it to charge for quite a long while. I then took it off the charger, put the screen back on, screwed everything together nicely, and...nada.

The only difference that seemed to make is that the LED no longer "blinks;" it just glows as usual. Presumably, the battery's no longer dead. The LED also keeps glowing for a few moments when I take the phone off the charger.

I'm stumped now. This is bothering me.

Tigerroast 2014-12-12 04:09

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by endsormeans (Post 1451749)
Next important question...what exactly is the batt you are using?...did it come with your device?...do you know the age of it?...is it the oem bp5j ?...is it a real?...is it a knockoff?...is it a fake?

It's the Nokia BL-5J battery that came with the phone. I'm pretty sure it's the real one. Has the holographic sticker on it and everything.

Quote:

...has it simply been used so much ...the charge is gone?....Exactly how certain are you about the battery history...?...
It went completely flat when it died. I'm sure it was from rapid drain from overclocking and possibly the Catorize app.

I'm 100% sure the battery has never been used before. My N900 seemed to be completely untouched when I got it. By all indications, that seems to be the case.

I removed the display and left it to charge, so I'm pretty sure it has a charge now.

Quote:

have you tried an external charger to charge the battery to see if it is actually charging?...perhaps it is simply a charging issue on-device...
Unfortunately, I don't have an external charger. I don't think I have a power supply that delivers the proper current needed to charge the battery without killing it.

I do believe it's charging, however. When I plug it in the charger, the LED glows like normal. The screen also turns un and displays the Nokia logo.

Quote:

once the batt is (hopefully) fully charged externally and reinserted in device perhaps the device will run properly....better to aim at this angle of troubleshooting 1st perhaps ...rule out simply the batt 1st ...if that isn't the prob...then move on to the next step....aim at the most probable....least invasive...least costly solutions and work upward from there...
Based on everything I've tried, I can conclude that the battery is both charging when the phone's plugged in and does have a charge. It's just that the phone's not turning on.

I don't know what other steps to take. I'm stuck.

Quote:

I'm sure someone else may have been in the same spot as what you are describing and has exactly the right answer ...the right solution which will help...patience...lotsa people here with a lotta smarts.....if you try anything don't make it invasive...tearing your device apart just yet...
After searching the forum and the internet, that does appear to be the case. Unbootable N900s aren't uncommon in the least. I still can't seem to find a proper solution, unless I'm just overlooking it.

Amboss 2014-12-12 11:53

Re: My N900 Experience
 
I couldn't figure out all of what you described about your device. But besides fast battery drain a faulty loading comes to my mind. Like a half loose USB connector...

Even if it is the original battery, when where the last N900 produced? Don't they get some damage from staying in the closet with no charge in them?

And what is this about taking the screen off to have a better charging? IMHO a device not booted all the way shouldn't take much current while charging. btw, the original charger which comes with it has > 500mA, which should be enough for any weird thing going on in a not-booted device?

reinob 2014-12-12 12:16

Re: My N900 Experience
 
@Tigerroast,

In case you haven't done this yet: download the flasher and the firmware NOW so that if you fvck up you still have a chance to recover.

I hope it's just your battery going bananas, but you also have to consider that the microUSB port might break (or might be already broken) so installing U-boot and preparing a microSD card with a rescue system is also a good idea.

In short: every N900 has to be prepared for the apocalyptic-bricking-event where neither USB works nor Maemo/Nokia repos and firmware images are available on-line. Beware of Windows as well. It reportedly doesn't play well with flashing. Linux works OK (32-bit easier than 64-bit), but with 0xFFFF available this should not be an issue anymore.

ceene 2014-12-12 17:05

Re: My N900 Experience
 
I also bought my N900 only a few months ago. I noticed that the battery lasted very few (not even 12 hours). It was also original, but it definetely wasn't new. I bought a new one and since then I only charge the phone once every other day or so.

Welcome to this wonderful community!

Tigerroast 2014-12-12 17:16

Re: My N900 Experience
 
I think I know what the problem is. The phone's charging normally, and the charger provides enough juice to charge it despite the screen coming on during charging (which is weird to me). The USB port is also perfectly fine; it's not loose and properly allows the current to pass into the phone.

I took a somewhat large LED with no resistor and put its leads in the corresponding terminals on the battery. It was VERY dim, and that's without a resistor.

It's definitely the battery. Now to go order a new one...

Btw, I do have the flasher in a tarball and the PR1.3 image downloaded on my computer. Even if I wanted to reflash, the battery doesn't have enough juice to do that. Also, since I've concluded that the battery's dead, I'm not gonna bother reflashing unless the new battery doesn't solve the problem.

Tigerroast 2014-12-13 01:59

Re: My N900 Experience
 
SURVIVAL!!!!

I completely forgot I ordered a spare battery, and I was shocked to see that come in the mail today! I immediately checked my Amazon history, and sure enough, I ordered it the same day I ordered the N900. Alrighty then.

First thing's first, I'm uninstalling Catorize. I downloaded batterygraph, set the CPU frequency back to 600MHz, let batterygraph run, uninstalled Catorize after an hour, and reinstalled Catorize. I saw the battery usage spike, and concluded quickly that it's not worth it to have my apps sorted neatly if I'm gonna have to deal with excessive battery drain.

I bet there's someone reading this thread, saw my troubles, and said, "Yeah, that sounds about right."

Tigerroast 2014-12-13 03:35

Re: My N900 Experience
 
After reading up on how to keep the N900 healthy, I'm well-aware of the USB port being a problem. Idk when I'll do this, but I'll reinforce the port soon. I don't have a soldering iron anymore, but I do have a coil of Rosin-core solder. Good thing, too; I can just throw nails in a pan and use pliers to handle the nails since this solder melts at lower temps.

I'll consider filing down the catch pins, but I'm not sure if that's necessary after reinforcing the USB port w/solder.

As for the external battery charger, are you talking about this?

Wikiwide 2014-12-13 04:33

Re: My N900 Experience
 
About external battery charger: it may be just my personal experience, but the external battery charger I got first (made in China, shaped like this one) had fallen apart due to poor build quality (wires coming apart from PCB, and the like). So, I am now using Nokia's battery charger.

The only complaints about DT-33 are: lack of power cord in the box (you need to find the 2mm-pin power cord separately; like, AC-8), and occasionally, that battery loses contact while being inside the slot (you need to check that it does charge, before walking away for whole day).

[Edit]
I was surprised, too, by lack of power cord. But the dock was designed when Nokia phones used 2mm for charging, not microUSB, so they avoided duplicating functionality.

Besides, it's an on-table dock, not an in-wall dock. It gets better visibility, this way. No need to dive under the table to fetch the battery, either.

I have never experienced "loss of contact" because I know that this form factor, by definition, requires user to insert the battery properly, all the way down the slot, and not just haphazardly throw it in and pray to unknown deities that the battery will touch the charging contacts.
[/Edit]

Best wishes, and good luck.

padmaraj.ravi 2014-12-13 04:43

Re: My N900 Experience
 
I use a Nokia X1-00 for charging . It has the same battery as n900 and cost about 1500Rs here in india when i bought it a year back .I found it more reliable than the third party chargers and for 1500Rs, it gave me an extra original BL-5J too.Even though my usb is perfectly ok i dont use it for the fear of breaking it . :)

endsormeans 2014-12-13 04:52

Re: My N900 Experience
 
@tiger...yup...there are a few models with slight differences....but yea...that is a UBOC great charger...has surge protection...all the necessary bells and whistles...love the sucker...eliminated all my individual battery chargers for my devices. works great.

I never had to solder. Utilizing an external charger and filing those points down and using the pc connector cable only for reflashing and (seriously limiting the amount of times used for file transferring via cable) using wifi and bt instead to transfer files...I think I have used the connector cable less than 50 times in total...to date...with no reportable probs yet with said usb port.


@wiki. oh yea..I had one ...looked alot like the one you posted.
sucker always had me worried....I never took my eyes off it...used it only a couple of times ...it's been sitting in the bottom of a box in my garage for a few years now.

Tigerroast 2014-12-13 05:19

Re: My N900 Experience
 
I resized the EXT3 and VFAT partitions. Reduced the VFAT partition to 15GB and filled the leftover space with the EXT3 partition. So far, no data corruption as a result. This is merely a preliminary step to using Easy Debian, however. I'll get around to that once I'm done getting everything to the way I want.

Also, once I get another uSD card (my only one died a while ago), I'll further cut the MyDocs partition. On a phone with uSD slots, I like to keep my files (docs, media, downloads) on the uSD slot. It's much safer that way. Your phone's borked? Just take the card out and you'll have all your data!

Eat your hearts out, iPhone users. I don't even need cloud storage.

Someone in the "Why Modern Devices Kinda Suck" thread mentioned how the task overview in Hildon is very similar to GNOME Shell. I have to agree with that. You know what would make it even more similar? Keyboard shortcuts to overview, list of apps, and to show current desktop. Hell, throw in an app search option from typing in something in the overview and it'll literally be exactly like Dash. In fact, I wanna do that!

...except I have no idea how to set shortcuts in Hildon. Is it in a config file? If it is, which one?

I'm also closely following the DebiaN900 thread. Since Fremantle will have to be ported and the Neo900 will most likely ship with Debian (or a derivative), that thread will likely help the Neo900 folks with software once they're finished with the hardware.

Tigerroast 2014-12-13 05:24

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Ain't no rest for the wicked...

Apparently, the phone doesn't charge when OC'd. Seems pretty obvious, but too bad I couldn't work that out beforehand. *sigh* Welp, good thing I made more progress before this blunder.

There's gonna be an external charger in my life in the near future. I might just stop OC'ing alltogether. Enabling HW acceleration of the desktop definitely helped the slowness and jittering.

Speaking of, why would that be disabled by default?

wicket 2014-12-13 05:26

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1451964)
You know what would make it even more similar? Keyboard shortcuts to overview, list of apps, and to show current desktop.

Well there is Ctrl+Backspace to display the task manager. Is that what you mean by overview?

You probably want to check out the wiki page if you haven't already:
http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures

Tigerroast 2014-12-13 05:35

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1451967)
Well there is Ctrl+Backspace to display the task manager. Is that what you mean by overview?

You probably want to check out the wiki page if you haven't already:
http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures

Thank you for the link! And the shortcut!

Yeah, that's what I mean. I didn't know what it was called, so I just called it overview. It makes sense to me.

Wikiwide 2014-12-13 05:42

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by endsormeans (Post 1451960)
@wiki. oh yea..I had one ...looked a lot like the one you posted.
sucker always had me worried....I never took my eyes off it...used it only a couple of times ...it's been sitting in the bottom of a box in my garage for a few years now.

It does not have me worried ;-) Well, except for continuous jokes about battery exploding :-) It's high quality, so I can be assured that I will not have to un-screw it, ever (not that I know how; to my eyes, it's smooth like chocolate and soft like velvet :-) )

And it charges very quickly, if you choose proper AC-charger. With the highest current ;-) It's recommended that you read compatibility list of DT-33, before ordering an AC-charger, just as extra pre-caution.

Best wishes.

endsormeans 2014-12-13 05:51

Re: My N900 Experience
 
hahaha...love it wiki.

Tigerroast 2014-12-13 06:36

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Good thing I have all weekend to wait for the external charger. In the meantime, I'll talk about some of the apps I've used.

HDRcapture
Since I'm about the furthest thing from a photographer you can get, I had no expectations for this app. However, the pictures taken with this app...wow. I was blown away. I don't know how high-quality the pictures were, but they seemed pretty good to me on the grounds that they looked very close to what I saw with my own eyes.

I wasn't expecting to have to hold the phone still while it took the pics though. The images I took with it while having it resting were the best quality.

the regular camera app
My Samsung Flash has a 5MP camera as well, but this one is 5 leagues above it. Action shots aren't as blurry, it's more clear in low-light, and it has a BLOODY COVER! The only thing the Flash's camera has over this one is that it takes pictures faster. Much faster, in fact.

When I get the chance, I'll compare this camera to other, newer phones. Should be interesting.

blessN900
I really didn't notice a difference between using this and the regular camera app besides that it took much longer to process pictures. Perhaps the images are clearer, but I'm not seeing it.
X terminal
Very basic, which isn't a bad thing. I'm just really, really spoiled by Terminology. Too bad Terminology takes 50MB to run. Otherwise, it would probably be among the top apps I'd get going once I set up Easy Debian.

Meh. Perhaps Terminator will do.

Conversation
SMS is noticeably more clunky on the N900 that it was on the Flash. It takes a few seconds for it to sort itself out, even if I already have it open and switch to it from a different app.

However, it gets bonus points for pretty good integration with IM, whereas the Flash had whole other apps+shortcuts to those.

Pierogi
Now this app? This is hotness. Now, some of the things it works for aren't that obvious. For example, I have a TCL TV that works with one of the RCA options. I only knew that after looking it up. Very useful!

Swappolube
After making adjustments using this, my system, as a whole, was more responsive. Htop indicated I was using more RAM, but that's to be expected when swappiness is decreased. Should help out with flash wear as well.

Leafpad
Not going to go into detail on this one. I'm just glad I found it!

jSpeed
Love love love it. Not going to go into detail on this one either. Just know that it's great at its job and I love it.

Love the display as well. I'd imagine it's great on a bike with a cradle.

Crochik Contacts
I really like the layout on the desktop. It took me a while to get used to using it, but it does work nicely. I'll compare it to the packed-in Contacts app once I'm able to.

That's pretty much all the apps I've used extensively enough to have a proper consensus on (somewhat).

pichlo 2014-12-13 08:23

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1451942)
First thing's first, I'm uninstalling Catorize. I downloaded batterygraph, set the CPU frequency back to 600MHz, let batterygraph run, uninstalled Catorize after an hour, and reinstalled Catorize. I saw the battery usage spike, and concluded quickly that it's not worth it to have my apps sorted neatly if I'm gonna have to deal with excessive battery drain.

I must say, this is the first time I see "Catorize" and "excessive battery drain" in the same post. I have been using it happily for years with no problems whatsoever. Are you sure those battery spikes were not caused by something else?

An hour is not a statistically significant sample anyway for battery usage tests. You need at least a day, if not a week.

Wikiwide 2014-12-13 08:39

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quick reply...

I also would like a deeper look into the matter.

Because, as far as I understand it, Catorize does not run in background; it is just a GUI for editing XML file, or XML-file-editor when invoked by installation-removal of an app. Hildon-launcher (however it is called) may be getting slow, possibly, when the said XML file is huge. But catorize itself is not draining the battery, I hope.

I have recently uninstalled lfocus applet, because I do not need a manual focus in camera, and LEDs are controlled nicely by Lanterne. Maybe, it will improve battery life somewhat.

Best wishes.

Wikiwide 2014-12-13 08:43

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1451975)
Good thing I have all weekend to wait for the external charger. In the meantime, I'll talk about some of the apps I've used.

HDRcapture
Since I'm about the furthest thing from a photographer you can get, I had no expectations for this app. However, the pictures taken with this app...wow. I was blown away. I don't know how high-quality the pictures were, but they seemed pretty good to me on the grounds that they looked very close to what I saw with my own eyes.

I wasn't expecting to have to hold the phone still while it took the pics though. The images I took with it while having it resting were the best quality.

the regular camera app
My Samsung Flash has a 5MP camera as well, but this one is 5 leagues above it. Action shots aren't as blurry, it's more clear in low-light, and it has a BLOODY COVER! The only thing the Flash's camera has over this one is that it takes pictures faster. Much faster, in fact.

When I get the chance, I'll compare this camera to other, newer phones. Should be interesting.

blessN900
I really didn't notice a difference between using this and the regular camera app besides that it took much longer to process pictures. Perhaps the images are clearer, but I'm not seeing it.
X terminal
Very basic, which isn't a bad thing. I'm just really, really spoiled by Terminology. Too bad Terminology takes 50MB to run. Otherwise, it would probably be among the top apps I'd get going once I set up Easy Debian.

Meh. Perhaps Terminator will do.

Conversation
SMS is noticeably more clunky on the N900 that it was on the Flash. It takes a few seconds for it to sort itself out, even if I already have it open and switch to it from a different app.

However, it gets bonus points for pretty good integration with IM, whereas the Flash had whole other apps+shortcuts to those.

Pierogi
Now this app? This is hotness. Now, some of the things it works for aren't that obvious. For example, I have a TCL TV that works with one of the RCA options. I only knew that after looking it up. Very useful!

Swappolube
After making adjustments using this, my system, as a whole, was more responsive. Htop indicated I was using more RAM, but that's to be expected when swappiness is decreased. Should help out with flash wear as well.

Leafpad
Not going to go into detail on this one. I'm just glad I found it!

jSpeed
Love love love it. Not going to go into detail on this one either. Just know that it's great at its job and I love it.

Love the display as well. I'd imagine it's great on a bike with a cradle.

Crochik Contacts
I really like the layout on the desktop. It took me a while to get used to using it, but it does work nicely. I'll compare it to the packed-in Contacts app once I'm able to.

That's pretty much all the apps I've used extensively enough to have a proper consensus on (somewhat).

Thank you. I will look up jSpeed and Crochik. And HDRcapture. Not going to mess with Swap, though.

Best wishes.

TomJ 2014-12-13 09:57

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1451968)
Thank you for the link! And the shortcut!

Yeah, that's what I mean. I didn't know what it was called, so I just called it overview. It makes sense to me.

Shortcutd allows you to set the camera button to do that

reinob 2014-12-13 12:44

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1451981)
I must say, this is the first time I see "Catorize" and "excessive battery drain" in the same post. I have been using it happily for years with no problems whatsoever. Are you sure those battery spikes were not caused by something else?

Catorize (and perhaps catorise-plus as well) trigger a bug in hildon-desktop that makes the battery drain really quickly under some circumstances (such as opening and closing the app menu quickly a couple of times).

The solution is to install CSSU or at least the hildon-desktop version off CSSU.
(I've done that and confirmed that catorise-plus or whatever it's called works fine).

Mara 2014-12-13 14:02

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerroast (Post 1451965)
Ain't no rest for the wicked...

Apparently, the phone doesn't charge when OC'd. Seems pretty obvious, but too bad I couldn't work that out beforehand. *sigh* Welp, good thing I made more progress before this blunder.

There's gonna be an external charger in my life in the near future. I might just stop OC'ing alltogether. Enabling HW acceleration of the desktop definitely helped the slowness and jittering.

Speaking of, why would that be disabled by default?

HW acceleration sounds terribly familiar, and I certainly have it enabled. Claimed reason why it is not enabled by default is that it doesn't work without crashing in all devices? Personally I never had issues with the two N900 I have.

The other issue that can not charge when overclocked sounds strange. I have overclocked both my N900 and they both charge just fine.

Tigerroast 2014-12-13 16:19

Re: My N900 Experience
 
I made an important discovery: the N900 charger sucks!

I tried an HTC charger (with a different uUSB cable w/ smaller pins) and I managed to boot the N900 within 2min of leaving it to charge. I'm aware that it's a common problem to not have the N900 boot after the battery dies. Well, this is why.

Never using the N900 charger again! I'll still wait on the external battery charger though.

Tigerroast 2014-12-13 16:33

Re: My N900 Experience
 
Some strange behavior's afoot.

I tried installing Lanterne, but FAM's complaining about "unmet dependencies." I checked what they could possibly be, and it's claiming that mp-fremantly-community-pr depends on hildon-control-panel, hildon desktop, and hildon status menu. All of these are installed, but it's complaining that the newer versions are to be installed. I'm confused by that. I can't install any more apps until this is resolved, but I don't know what the problem is.

EDIT: Went into /etc/apt/preferences and noticed only entries for what FAM was complaining about. Deleted those. When I go to install an app, same thing happened. I tried deleting /etc/apt/preferences, but it happened again.


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