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@Jaffa
Wise words. Some part, like:

Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
Sure, Matti Airas doesn't seem to be involved in the community as much as Quim was. But that's because the community - unfortunately - is more stable, and he hasn't got the history in building it that Quim did. But that's where the council comes in: help rather than confront; communicate instead of stifle; empower rather than moan.
...are much more easy to say than do - from my point of view, Matti Airas lately isn't involved *at all*, so it's quite hard to communicate, empower, etc, when You don't have partner to do so.

Yet, overall, I would agree. That's why I've written about "strong mandate" - if elected- I would like to (or at least, assist in, as there probably are going to be much more experienced people as council members, than me) - try every possible way of "straightening" Community/Nokia relations, and, if that fail, part ways without hostility from either side. I must add, that I don't consider second option is a loss in any way - there are just possibilities, so if point 1 (or "plan A") fail, we'll just head to "Plan B". I also ensure You, that in case of (even) such proposition, exact plan would be posted a long time before actual executing, open for Community to improve it. Heck, I'm sure, that this plan as a whole would consist of ideas got from Community on first place (even current drafts for it, found in "Ask the Council" thread, are based on community work).

/Estel

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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
Look, I know Matti and Niels personally. "Rude" and "not caring" are really adjectives that don't apply to them.

It hasn't been an easy time for these guys. They had to rely on others you don't see. Things are sorted out now.




It's true that I haven't been directly involved in maemo.org tasks - and that it's easy for me to talk now. I did try to help Matti & co when they were working hard to get a future to maemo.org beyond the deadlines given to the own MeeGo team at Nokia (I was part of).

But well, these days I'm syncing with Matti again and I will be following the Community forum & mailing list regularly.
Another time I saw Your response after posting mine. Of course, it's understandable that time was hard for "good" guys @ Nokia - I'm sure, that mess we've seen was just top of icy mountain.

I must admit, that sum of all events with Nokia created quite a hostility (which is, by the way, quite a achievement from Nokia (as a company) side - 180 degrees rotation, from thankful Community in the past, to current state... but it's not a good place to elaborate more on it), yet, if "those guys" are willing to collaborate, we can forget about former problems in less than ten CPU cycles To be honest, it sounds to beautiful to be true - but, if so, that would be amongst best news in last months.

/Estel
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