Originally Posted by Texrat

I don't get that. The time to be vocal is during this preview period immediately following my being given an N900...

Originally Posted by TheLongshot

As a software engineer by trade, I can understand having a level of indirection between the developers and the customer. Fact is, customer requests CAN get in the way of a developer doing his job, depending on how combative the customer is. There aren't usually problems if the customer is well behaved, but when they are not, it can turn into a mess. That's why I find the request for 'transparency' being something that isn't all that attractive to the developers. The indirection allows them to get the work that they need to get done, done without outside interference. It is up to management to interface with the bug list and set priorities of items on the list based on difficulty and overall usefulness of any fix to the general community.

You might not agree with the priority list, but in the end you are just one stakeholder out of many and the team may have bigger fish to fry that affect more users than just yourself.

Originally Posted by Texrat

I essentially agree and most of your points are not in contention-- with the caveat (as GeneralAntilles pointed out) that the traditional development process is often at odds with the FOSS world. But Nokia chose that tightrope, so....

But you very last statement, maybe unwittingly, actually supports what GA and I have been saying. Priority should naturally address majority needs and expectations. I'm simply asserting that current modes of usage are a defacto standard for many, many users and to take such functionality away, particularly in a flagship device, is likely to not sit well with many users.

This isn't sheer conjecture either. We're not talking about something nebulous. We're talking about features people use.

Maybe it is because I only have experience with dumbphones, but I've never run across a call log where you could divide up the call list. It has usually been one big long list. So, for me, I wouldn't notice anything missing. I can see the usefulness in what you guys are talking about, but it isn't a feature that I've had on my phones, nor would it be one that I would feel was missing.

Originally Posted by Rushmore

Would it be possible to add a search feature of entering text in order to jump to a particular message? Start typing, and as you do, the list filters based on that? This would seem to not conflict with any design premise and not require an interface change.

Originally Posted by ragnar

I guess if people would ask at the same time that why aren't more Nokians actively involved in these forums and at the same time would read the general tone and respect level of the individual messages, for instance in this particular thread, you would perhaps see some hints of the potential conflict built within.

Originally Posted by ragnar

The UI style guidance was to try to simplify the UI's, and one clear target for these was to clear out tabbed UI's, clear out split panel UI's as much as it is possible. Doing an exception for only one application wouldn't make sense in terms of UI consistency. Why could Call UI only do this and the other applications would not then do it. Sometimes overall UI consistency overrides the individual optimization you might want to do on some particular application.

Originally Posted by ragnar

clear out tabbed UI's, clear out split panel UI's

Originally Posted by TheLongshot

Maybe it is because I only have experience with dumbphones, but I've never run across a call log where you could divide up the call list. It has usually been one big long list.